How does the Company guarantee/pay/increase my policy by 8 to 10%? And there are special programs for people up to age 85. At your age, many people are moving the funds from their retirement accounts as a lump sum into a type of whole life policy specifically used for older folks. As I mentioned in my book, these Professionals work under the direct supervision of Bank On Yourself policy design specialists who have each personally designed literally thousands of policies. At one point you said a BOY policy earned 4.5 to 5.8 percent IRR. Yes, they have a death benefit, too, but it’s the living advantages that make Bank On Yourself unbeatable. It was $6870 return after 20 years @ $100/yr and $ the combined contribution which equates to the $4666 after 35% tax reduction. You can use the policy as a powerful financial management tool right from the start. And, when he’s ready to retire, he has $368,441, whether or not he used his policy to finance anything, and in spite of any interest he paid the insurance company! When you take out a loan against your BOY policy the insurance co. charges interest but the KEY about a non direct recognition policy is the cash value is still earning interest as if you have no loan at all. Pamela..I was replying to the prior commenter(sic).. I must be missing somthing here in comparing qualified plans to BOY, at my age (72) my whole nest egg(90%) is in qualified plans (there isn’t much choice when you are working except to contribute to a qualified plan or lose big time to taxes). Rather, we advocate that you regain control of your money through personal stewardship and responsibility. He will explain why he cut back his 401(k) contribution to what his employer matches – and why he’s considering stopping funding it altogether. He has already started seven Bank On Yourself-type policies and is paying $60,000 a year into them. Fact 3 if the stock market completely crashes, that is apart of your sales pitch, everything will cost so much it won’t matter where you have your money. Any thoughts about this? Because life insurance lingo isn't exactly part of our everyday lexicon. One thing I hate about these “gurus” arguments is that they are all titled “term vs whole”. But with a Bank On Yourself plan, you’ll have significantly more equity in your plan in the early years (as well as throughout the life of the plan), than you would with a traditional whole life policy. If so I’d certainly like to hear more. If they are not a central bank like the Fed which has been granted the power to print money, they can only get the money from the same places everyone else can get it. And I agree this is not a short-term fix – I’ve always said it takes some patience and discipline. The more whole life you sale, the easier my job becomes because when clients see how they are being ripped off to make the insurance agents rich, they almost always switch to term and get more coverage for less money. Thank God i did not buy it, but borrowed it from the library, then returned it very quickly. I’m certainly an advocate of the whole BOY, Infinite banking, privatized banking, or family banking movement. Whether the math is absolutely correct, I hope you appreciate my attempt to differentiate between compounded growth of a fixed rate, a varying rate with and without taxes of a passive amount like $1000 vs. a dollar-cost averaged $1000 over 20 years and backing out the return. Just my 2 cents. I have cheap term insurance in place until I can access my large 401k plan. And to Pamela and all of her possy thanks for spreading the wealth.. Tell us and we can all get the eggs for free but, I doubt you will do that since it seems to be a big secret. That means you won’t pay taxes on the money or dividends that you earn (if you reinvest them in your policy) while your policy is in place. Want proof he buys cars the same way….here you go Ramsey Lovers….yes its true…..Your idol buys cars and pays himself back and repeats… per this youtube video—-> And nothing grows your cash value more efficiently than the premium you put into the PUA Rider, so that’s why BOY Professionals try to max that out, depending on the client’s needs, goals and situation. When you pay more on your mortgage you will pay down the principal faster. The $100,000 challenge is rigged to make someone consider the borrowing principle. Bank On Yourself® is a registered trademark owned by Hayward-Yellen 100 Ltd Partnership. . etc. When the company generates a rate of return within their own portfolio they then return the money back. A large mutually owned company may have a time horizon of 100 years as opposed to an individual investor having a 20-30 year time horizon or a stock owned company having a time horizon of 1 quarter to show a good quarterly earning report. KlausG. See: Suze Orman wants you to stop ‘peeing $1 million down the drain’ Giving blanket advice on finances is always tricky, said Dennis Nolte, vice president of Seacoast Investment Services. You should discuss the specifics with a Bank On Yourself Professional by requesting a free Analysis here. Is there an mandatory exhaustive medical evaluation needed? Thanks for your kind feedback. This is a great strategy if structured correctly, for the right person, at the right time. Out of 1,500 major life insurance companies only a handful offer a policy that has all the features required to maximize the power of this concept. That’s in spite of the fact that, had you invested in an S&P 500 index fund for the past 13 years, you most likely have little to show for it other than a pile of pocket lint and a lot of sleepless nights. At age 96 he will still have $272,212 in cash and $296,323 in life insurance. I explained that in Key Difference #2 in the post you commented on. I suppose if the insurer has a way to stay compliant with the CVAT or GSP test it would be nice to capitalize a “bank” in 2 years. 2. That said, I have seen few situations where a death benefit wouldn’t be of some value – whether it goes to your children, grandchildren, etc. I think your money has different jobs to do. Regarding stocks and bonds, a mutually owned company has a completely different time horizon than an individual investor as well as a stock owned company so the investment philosophy is different. It is set up different that regular life policies. Why? Easy Money They can and do change the rules whenever they want. And don’t say that insurance companies can invest in things individuals cannot. So, I will leave you to draw your own conclusions about this and what their motivations are. Which means your IRR is easily going to be 4.5% to 5.8% – even though you’re putting in the exact same total amount of $500 per month. Suze Orman is a personal financial guru that generally believes that term life insurance is the best use of life insurance for most Americans. The first thing Orman said? If you get the policy to a point where the policy doesn’t require premium payments any longer in 6 or 7 years, every single illustration I’ve ever run from multiple companies shows that you must surrender some of the PUA insurance while directing some of the dividends towards the payment of premium. As far as Dave and Suze go, they are right, you should never use a credit card or buy a car on time. As you correctly stated, base policies for most top mutual whole life carriers show a 3 to 4% internal rate of return (IRR) currently. So your results will be different. No one ever mentions the added taxes that the individual incurs on the front end when they are paying taxes on their whole income with no deferred taxes. I have multiple BOY plans and they are kicking butt. I’m not sure if I’ll get a response since this is over a year old, but it’s still worth a shot. Regarding where the interest you pay on policy loans goes: The interest charges are not credited directly to your policy. Thank you so much for your kind words! Which compares the total returns to stocks, long- and short-term government bonds, gold, and commodities (measured by the Consumer Price Index, or CPI.). How much does homeowners insurance insurance cost? Max, thank you for (once again) confirming my statement that most financial representatives and insurance agents have no clue how dividend-paying whole life insurance works, let alone how the supercharged policies used for Bank On Yourself work. she used to be roommates with John Belushi, A crib sheet to reading life insurance quotes, The healthiest (& unhealthiest) states in America, How long should term life last? : The growth in a dividend-paying whole life policy isn’t based primarily on interest rates in the conventional sense. Just yesterday I helped a young married man age 32 with 2 kids, buy a $275,000 dividend paying whole life policy from a mutually owned company (one of the few in Canada) with a rider that maximizes the cash value and annually increases their insurance. When you request a free Bank On Yourself Analysis, you’ll get a referral to a knowledgeable Bank On Yourself Professional who will make a recommendation based on your specific situation, and encourage you to do your due diligence into any company they recommend for you. Pam, By selling whole life insurance policies as a financial advisor. Now as far as it being structured with the appropriate company. Yes, the Bank On Yourself Concept does work in Canada, although the products and tax laws are different. So a beneficiary would be wise to do a maximally funded policy (which BOY has perfected) and then open up as many BOY policies as possible for their spouse and children. Somewhere between Ramsey and BOY resides the truth on these very special policies. Sometimes a limited pay policy may make sense, though. It all depends on the what and why. Individuals can now invest in private placements, both equity and debt as well as private real estate deals. So it’s best NOT everyone buy a dividend paying WL policy because they will NEVER be let off the hook. expires and then you die? The Bank On Yourself Professionals training and certification program is the only independent training program Nelson endorses. how is that different than if i just put $10,000 in any other investment for 35 years. It usually goes to a younger survivor who would then also be able to afford their own Insurance policy completing the circle. Many of us come to the same conclusion after learning things through the school of hard knocks. When you purchase life insurance to protect your family, you'll want to be sure you buy adequatecoverage. There are plenty of websites where you can learn the basics of how life insurance companies operate. See Myth #2 for the low-down, but the entire article is well worth reading. I don’t know if you would care to comment on any of this or if you’ve had different experiences? No other financial product, strategy or vehicle can match it – or even come close. The other problem is that another advisor will probably have to deal with your client when their term insurance expires and they find out it is 4X more expensive to renew it.. assuming they even can. The conclusion they draw is that that must mean it doesn’t exist. If you’re having a hard time deciding between term life insurance and whole life insurance, there is another type of life insurance policy called “Guaranteed Universal Life Insurance” that’s become extremely popular these days.. And they have all paid dividends every year for at least 100 years. Don’t take our word for it – here’s a statement from a Bank On Yourself-designed dividend-paying whole life policy, at the end of just one year. And they have very strict rules about what they can invest in and how much reserves they have to have (unlike banks and other financial institutions). What are your thoughts? On the example of the 25,000 car purchase every 4 yrs on the Debate Dave Ramsey and Suzi Orman page, is the combination of the Insurance (monthly) premium paid AND the loan (monthly) payment paid (including the interest rate) equal to the payment one would otherwise pay w/o the loan, to achieve the same cash value stated ($368,441). 4. You would have been required to pay the loan back, if you’d borrowed from a finance company of course. So let me get this straight. Besides, the GOVERNMENT controls the money in qualified plans, NOT you! This policy statement shows you how the death benefit keeps growing. That’s would I would like to see, a risk adjusted rate of return for this program versus the S&P 500. It’s so nice to hear from you, John! Except he gets to enjoy four cars by running the purchases through his plan knowing his nest-egg continues growing without missing a beat! (6 years premium x $12,000 = $72,000 plus 3 years loan repay of $12,000 = $36,000 to total $108,000). I’ve read the book, created my goals. Life insurance is such a difficult financial hurdle for so many of you. All other variables are identical, including the premium paid. I am surprised that Pamella Yellen or Rose H. have not mentioned this concept in their reply. What is an irrevocable life insurance trust (ILIT)? It is a temporary solution for a temporary problem. They are regulated by each state and audited on a regular basis. You know its funny…even though Dave does not really like the Whole Life policy, he sure advocates paying yourself back and buying cars like a Wholelife “tax Deffered” policy, except that his version will be taxed and a properly structured B.O.Y. Term life vs. whole life insurance pros and cons. Another issue is that there’s only so much you can put into a policy before you MEC it, so you’d have to buy another policy or figure out what to do with the overage which might only be an additional $50 a month or something small like that. Yes Pamela, that is a major point-fractional reserve lending simply awaits a government bailout from tax payers which may not come if your bank is in trouble. If you love Suze Orman then you might want to understand more about her stance on Whole Life Insurance. How does Bank on Yourself concept differ from the Infinite Banking System ? Multiple policies give you greater flexibility when it comes time to take income. Your financial representative must ALSO know how to properly structure the plan or it will grow much more slowly, lose the tax advantages, or both. More money on a compound growth curve in a shorter period of time. In addition, here are 4 reasons why indexed universal life is not an appropriate product when you want guaranteed, predictable growth, and/or plan to use the policy for the purposes of financing. The CPI has risen by a factor of 14.22, almost all of it after World War II. Though why the strong opinion Mr. Ramsey? Quite a few people use their Bank On Yourself plans to finance real estate transactions, myself included. Structured correctly: The policies can be geared to be more favorable with death benefit or more favorable with cash value. Samuel A. Guthrie. And there’s a good chance you could live at least 30 more years, so you want to make sure your money doesn’t run out before you do. I hope I am mistaken as the more I read about this program the more I think about Bernie Madoff ( These companies have been doing this for a very long time. thanks, this is really interesting. Obviously you don’t have clue about the hidden costs and pitfalls of investing in a 401k. We compared a man using a Bank On Yourself policy to finance $25,000 cars every four years and paying the loans back at the interest rate the company charges, to having him not use the plan to finance anything, and thus owing no loan interest. Plan sounds good. I have also said it’s not their fault they received no education or training on this, because very few companies offer it, and it’s not even covered in the training programs financial representatives and insurance agents have to take to get licensed. There is a start-up phase before the plans kick into high gear. A stock owned company will return the excess to the stockholders, and the policyholders get whatever is left over. When you know how money really works there plenty of options out there to grow and protect income. Many people age 62 and older start Bank On Yourself plans (I devote a whole chapter of my best-selling book to this). I have gone over the numbers and for some reason I keep making money. Can access before age 59 1/2 Co. you use? I love the question asking how much you would have if you invested the same $10,000 per year in the S&P. What else is unsaid is how long it would take to accumulate $25,000 to buy that car (or those four cars) she is so fond of discussing. I am interested in this concept on behalf of my adult grand-children, all of whom live in Great Britain. There was no perfect solution for that (I think it’s just that regulations prevent it). If three people borrow from a pool and two pay back $100 of interest and the third pays back $1000 of interest, the pool now has $1200 of interest to return to the borrowers. Also, when your plan is administered by one of the few companies that offer this feature, when you take a policy loan, your money in the plan grows as though you never touched a dime of it. Term insurance is a great tool for “short term needs”. Bank On Yourself and its affiliates, directors, officers and employees have no control over the recommendations that Bank On Yourself Professionals or any financial representatives make to their respective clients, and as a result, shall not be held liable for any damages claimed as a result of decisions made by any financial representative. And to comment on the previous posts about what insurance companies invest in. When we consider using life insurance as an investment, there are as many people in favor of it as there are opposed. But that’s the marginal rate, not the average tax rate. I think I am familiar with those funding strategies. whole life sales are up and term life sales are down as people are finally hearing the truth. I have a question. People often think of permanent life insurance, which carries a cash value component, as an investment vehicle – but a lot of that you put it into that is supposed to be for the "investment" side of it is spent on fees. I don’t know Pamela, but she appears to be very knowledgable on the subject. (traditional & indexed) because so many ins.sales people were touting the use of Univ. Why they argue one or the other is beyond me. Of course your mutual fund stock investment has no bail out when it tanks. So, I will give you one more opportunity to explain where the money comes from. You claim 8%, but don’t quote actual data. A stable dividend paying mutual life insurance company has many living benefits if I get short on cash. Sign up for the To get a referral to one and a free Analysis go to /analysis-request-form. Financial gurus Dave Ramsey and Suze Orman preach term life insurance all day long. Can you give me a feel for what the length of the ‘start-up’ period is? This is a topic I’ve spent literally hundreds of hours investigating. They are considering changes right now. I don’t think bankruptcy would add to the confidence to my peers. Ten Stock-Market Myths That Just Won’t Die, CWA-NJ Conservatives with Attitude! Easy question, but very difficult answer because it depends on the sequence of returns the investor enjoys during the time in question. Strategies to Maximize Your 401(k) Partner Links. This is a testament to how important this coverage is for anyone who has assets to protect. ... Home Ownership. Just “for fun” (I work at a company that designs BOY policies), I ran a sample illustration on a 30-year-old male, putting $10,000/year into a policy until retirement age. $10k/year to the same $500k policy. What is the interest rate you pay us ? If you can’t afford to replenish your account and make monthly payments, then you can’t afford to buy that item. Could you explain what it is, please. I guess it’s the fact that they are not licensed or qualified financial advisers. So yes, in this case, with Bank On Yourself, you CAN have your cake and eat it too! I have been sold on bank on yourself. I am glad to hear you say “you will look into this.” I have PROVED on my website and in my book how Bank On Yourself-type whole life policies are different from the policies Dave, Suze and the others talk about, using direct quotes from their books, and comparing them against actual policy statements. Here’s why: The interest paid on policy loans ultimately benefits all policy owners, in the same way they would benefit from all the investments the company makes, in order to deliver the benefits promised to policy owners. People need to understand that a substantial portion of the dividend is simple a “return of premium” based on favorable claims experience. The truth actually is somewhere in between. I’ll admit, this concept seems appealing on the surface but its really just the same recycled garbage that the whole life industry has used for years to rip off middle America. You can quickly compare life insurance quotes across companies here. What’s more, my readers have alerted Suze and Dave. What are the name of some of the Ins. Fill in the lower brackets first and your taxes come down. Insurance industry legend Bob Castigione, creator of the LEAP selling system, will posit that every investment dollar that you have should be invested in permanent whole life insurance. It’s his stock reply when asked about anything that includes the words “whole life.”. How much am I going to have to pay or put into it every month? What the financial gurus think they know about Bank On Yourself that just ain’t so, Bank On Yourself-designed dividend-paying whole life policy, article that reveals the rate of return of a properly designed Bank On Yourself type policy. Can they print it? A schnook, somebody who wants to take you, somebody who is in my opinion not a friend maybe, but … Thanks, Jeff, Yes, the $368,441 cash value figure assumes you repaid the car loans, in addition to paying the monthly premium. 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